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回应格里布勒和维尔纳(2017)对迈尔沃尔德(2016)的正式评论所提交的意见。

Response to formal comment on Myhrvold (2016) submitted by Griebeler and Werner (2017).

机构信息

Intellectual Ventures, Bellevue, Washington, United States of America.

出版信息

PLoS One. 2018 Feb 28;13(2):e0192912. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0192912. eCollection 2018.

DOI:10.1371/journal.pone.0192912
PMID:29489880
原文链接:https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5831047/
Abstract

Griebeler and Werner offer a formal comment on Myhrvold, 2016 defending the conclusions of Werner and Griebeler, 2014. Although the comment criticizes several aspects of methodology in Myhrvold, 2016, all three papers concur on a key conclusion: the metabolism of extant endotherms and ectotherms cannot be reliably classified using growth-rate allometry, because the growth rates of extant endotherms and ectotherms overlap. A key point of disagreement is that the 2014 paper concluded that despite this general case, one can nevertheless classify dinosaurs as ectotherms from their growth rate allometry. The 2014 conclusion is based on two factors: the assertion (made without any supporting arguments) that the comparison with dinosaurs must be restricted only to extant sauropsids, ignoring other vertebrate groups, and that extant sauropsid endotherm and ectotherm growth rates in a data set studied in the 2014 work do not overlap. The Griebeler and Werner formal comment presents their first arguments in support of the restriction proposition. In this response I show that this restriction is unsupported by established principles of phylogenetic comparison. In addition, I show that the data set studied in their 2014 work does show overlap, and that this is visible in one of its figures. I explain how either point effectively invalidates the conclusion of their 2014 paper. I also address the other methodological criticisms of Myhrvold 2016, and find them unsupported.

摘要

格里伯勒和维尔纳对迈尔沃尔德 2016 年的论文做出了正式评论,以捍卫维尔纳和格里伯勒 2014 年的结论。尽管该评论批评了迈尔沃尔德 2016 年论文中的几个方法论方面,但这三篇论文在一个关键结论上达成了一致:无法使用生长率异速生长来可靠地对现生恒温动物和变温动物的新陈代谢进行分类,因为现生恒温动物和变温动物的生长速率存在重叠。有一个主要的分歧点是,2014 年的论文得出的结论是,尽管存在这种普遍情况,但仍然可以根据生长率异速生长将恐龙归类为变温动物。2014 年的结论基于两个因素:(没有任何支持论据的情况下)断言与恐龙的比较必须仅限于现生蜥形类动物,而忽略其他脊椎动物群体,以及在 2014 年研究的数据集内现生蜥形类动物恒温动物和变温动物的生长速率没有重叠。格里伯勒和维尔纳的正式评论提出了他们的第一个论据,以支持限制命题。在本回应中,我表明这种限制没有得到系统发育比较原则的支持。此外,我表明他们在 2014 年研究中使用的数据集确实存在重叠,这在其一个图中可见。我解释了这两点如何有效地使他们 2014 年论文的结论无效。我还解决了迈尔沃尔德 2016 年论文的其他方法学批评,发现这些批评没有得到支持。

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